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medic5740
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Overpaid??

Post by medic5740 »

After spending twenty-eight years of providing service to the Beaver Island community, I am finally fed up with the rumors that I am hearing. It's really sad that some people don't ask the people who have the knowledge AND don't seem to care how their comments hurt others. Here is an editorial written by me.

Overpaid?
An Editorial by Joe Moore
There are some people that that seem to think that the EMS providers on Beaver Island are overpaid. Can you believe that? Here are some statistics that you might find interesting.

In the last fifteen years, the EMS providers on Beaver Island have not received one raise. In the meantime, the cost of living has increased every year. The cost of living based upon federal reports has increased forty percent over the last fifteen years, and thatâ??s without any compounding of the rates. The hourly rate for an EMS provider has increased zero percent.

In the last year, only because statistics for a longer time are not available, the emergency response time, from the alert from Central Dispatch until the first responder begins the response, has been less than three minutes. The reason for this fast response time is simple. The on-call EMS providers donâ??t go out to the bar, they donâ??t go around the island, and they donâ??t have the opportunity to use the recreation that Beaver Island offers. When on-call they canâ??t go fishing, go cut wood, go mushroom hunting, go for a boat ride, go visit someone on the south end, go swimming, go boodling, and they certainly canâ??t do many of the things that the visitors and residents of Beaver Island come to the island to do.

Yes, BIEMS providers do receive professional compensation when they are providing the care to an emergency patient, but this compensation would barely pay for one family dinner for four at a local restaurant. Most of you reading this would not put you and your family through the life style of EMS providers for just this one dinner.

In the last fifteen years, the education of EMS providers has exceeded eight thousand hours and has included three 1200+ hour paramedic programs, ten EMT programs, five first responder program, many advanced cardiac life support programs, many pediatric advanced life support programs, at least thirty cardiopulmonary resuscitation education programs, ten advanced stroke life support programs, eight Pediatric Education for PreHospital Provider programs, eight International Trauma Life Support programs, and many continuing education programs from patient assessment to emergency driving to drug administration in the non-advanced setting and every other topic in emergency medical care. Participants received no pay for attending these educational sessions. All were attended on a volunteer basis.

In the last year, the average time spent on an EMS run was greater than three and a half hours, making the hours in-service greater than 275 hours average per year, and this does not include the community education programs, nor the many other activities for the benefit of the community. This time adds up to at least four thousand hours over fifteen years.

Now, overpaid has to have an agreed upon definition. Iâ??d like to use this one; â??money paid in excess of what is due.â?￾ What is excess of what is due? Do any of you reading this consider $4.33 an hour â??in excess of what is dueâ??? Do you consider $4.33 in excess of what is due for giving up your social activities mentioned above? Do you consider $4.33 an hour in excess of what is due for being available to respond within three minutes to an emergency page? If you or your loved one is having an emergency, is paying someone $4.33 per hour in excess of what is due for the readiness of your responders?

The BIEMS responders are licensed by the State of Michigan to provide emergency care before the patient arrives at the hospital. Would the heart attack victim, the stroke victim, the pregnant woman in labor victim, the motorcycle accident victim, the emergency patient on an outer island victim, the diabetic emergency victim, the head injury victim, the roll-over accident victim, or any other person having a medical emergency consider the pay of $4.33 per hour to be in â??excess of what is dueâ???

How long have these EMS providers been overpaid, and why are they paid at all? I think the answer to this question is very simple, and I think these questions have already been answered, but there is more information that you should know. Fifteen years ago, there were three EMS providers who had paying jobs that allowed them to leave the job for an emergency. These providers were licensed paramedics that were volunteers. They wanted to be able to help people, their friends and neighbors, when the emergency arose, so they went to school for eighteen months and became paramedics. These three took the time to look at how they could cover the three positions of first responder, emergency medical technician, and paramedic for staffing an advanced life support ambulance. The real issue was in the summer when everyone was very busy providing services to the visitors and summer residents of the island. How could they get someone working in the service industry to leave their job to help during an emergency? Employers were probed and prodded, but there was no leeway given. Every service employee had to be at their service job and would not be allowed to leave even for an emergency. The fire department people got to leave for an emergency, why not the EMS people? The fire department people have less than five calls a year. Leaving a job five times a year is not too bad in the employers mind, but leaving the job once every three or four days was not acceptable to the employers, nor was being late if involved in an overnight or early morning emergency.

So, these three EMS providers sat down and tried to figure out a way to get island residents, whose entire yearly income was based upon working in the service industry, to be willing to give up some of this income. That wasnâ??t going to happen. Even the dedicated EMS providers were not able to be in a position to give up this income. They had to eat and feed their family and pay the rent, etc. So these three put together what a service person could make during the busy season for just one shift with a little overtime, and they came up with eighty dollars for the shift at ten dollars and hour, and twenty dollars for giving up their recreation for one day. This was to become the â??summer on-call wagesâ?￾ for the paramedic and for the EMT with the first responder making a third person at a much reduced pay. This pay for the providers was based upon an entry level service industry employee, such as a construction worker, a waitress, a cook, or something like this. It was, from the very beginning, meant to just pay the person to be available for about one day or maybe two days per week. And, it was very successful fifteen years ago.

However, this success was short-lived as these same very dedicated people became aware that they could do the same job, albeit somewhat busier, if they went to Boyne City, Allied EMS, Marshall Fire Department, or some other location and make more money doing the same thing for fewer hours of responsibility. After their shift, they could do all the things that they were denied doing on Beaver Island, and still they could make more money. Here is just an example. If you work a twelve hour shift in Boyne City as a paramedic, you could make twice as much for half the time, and you could sleep right at their station if you were there overnight. This is nothing new. The nurses who worked for Munson Hospital had been doing this off-Island kind of thing for years and years. They would go down to work for three days, and come back to Beaver Island and spend three days vacation. The paramedics tried this, and then eventually decided to just move where the job was and use the three days to travel anywhere and do anything that they wanted to do; go fishing, go bowling; go shopping; visit relatives, etc. The $4.33 per hour became a joke to them. If you could make twice as much for half the time, and have the travel issues of Beaver Island out of the way, why would you stay on Beaver Island?

Guess what? This same thing has happened to five of the six paramedics educated and trained right here on Beaver Island, and it also applies to the EMTs too. Even one of the medical first responder trained nursing assistants, right here on Beaver Island, makes more money per hour than the paramedics. So does the EMT who has moved on to working at the medical center. BIEMS lost some excellent EMS providers because they could not make a living being paid $4.33 per hour. This wasnâ??t exactly an excellent payment plan even if one person was paid this amount for a whole year for 365 day. The pay for a paramedic, living on Beaver Island, was $36,500 per year for 365 days per year, 24 hours per day. No recreation, no time off, no family time, no personal time. Thatâ??s the reason for the posts on this forum by one adult.

I would be happy to give a radio and a pager to anyone to give this a try. Just give up your entire life, and respond to every call for fire and EMS. No trips to the bar for a drink though. No fishing, no recreation, etc. Just be available for every page that happens every time it happens. Ask some of those that did it 365/24. Ask some of their family members how this experience was. You try it. Every single member of the Beaver Island Emergency Services Authority should try it. Then go through all the training to have someoneâ??s life in your hands, and continue to take the continuing education required to maintain your license and all your certifications required by the State of Michigan and your local medical control authority. I want you to have to make the decisions that I have had to make. Do I put a tourniquet on this patientâ??s leg knowing full well that he will lose the leg due to the extended time for transport during a bad storm with no flights available, or do I gamble that he wonâ??t bleed to death if I donâ??t put the tourniquet on? Do I fly in a Coast Guard helicopter with just the basic supplies to get a patient with a severe head injury to the hospital and get stranded on the mainland with no money and $15,000 worth of equipment?

Give me a break. Overpaid? Thatâ??s bull feces! $4.33 per hour is in excess of whatâ??s due? Thatâ??s bull feces! You are paying this money for insurance against your life. Just go out and ask the person who was so ill that each breath was a gasp. Go out and ask the person who had shingles inside his lungs. Go out and ask the person that had thirteen years, two months, and two days more with his family when he survived cardiac arrest. Go out and ask the patientsâ?? families that were fortunate enough to be able to visit their living family member before they died. Go out and ask the man who is walking around on the island after his severe head injury. Go out and ask the many stroke patients who got to the hospital in time to have very few deficits. Go out and ask the man with the severe leg injury who is walking around on that leg. Go out and ask the diabetics who were seizing due to their low blood sugar. Go out and ask the man who got hit in the head by a tree whether an EMS person is overpaid. Go out and ask the patient that was close to death with a very fast heart rate, and who was fixed right here on the island. Go out and ask anyone who has had this emergency medical service respond to their homes.

All these EMS providers have left the island for this very reason. Not only is the pay ridiculously low. Not only is the life style unacceptable. Not only is the education demanding, physically, emotionally, and socially. But also, you have to listen to people talk about how you are overpaid. But also, you have to listen to how you are really not needed. But also, you have to put up with the political bull feces that simply ignorant people who not only say it, but put in print. And I do this? WHY? Why would I give up so much for so little? Try doing it for three years without a break that you didnâ??t arrange by yourself. Try doing it with equipment that you have to beg to replace because it doesnâ??t work. Try doing it in this atmosphere of ignorance. Overpaid? You are simply ignorant of the responsibility, the losses that I have put up with, the social occasions that I could not attend, the birthdays of my grandkids that I have missed, and then you want to demean me? You want to try to place the providers of the medical center against me? You want me to ignore all of this, and just continue to do it for $4.33 per hour? When was the last time that you spent from 10 p.m. until 3:30 a.m. helping a neighbor and friend in a life and death emergency?

How much does this EMS provider pay cost the taxpayer? The answer is not very much. Last year over $97,000 was collected for the provision of emergency assessment, emergency treatment, and emergency transport of emergency patients. $36,000 of this of this $97,000 was paid out to another provider for air services provided, which makes the income for BIEMS $61,000 without tax revenues. The pay for the actual on-call paramedic, EMT, and MFRs for the provision of these services, payroll only for the actual on-call and wages for those on-call and the actual cost of the emergency runs in wages only, is less than $61,000. These figures come from the actual expenses paid during the 2014-2015 budget year. The EMS providers provide more than enough income to cover the on-call wages.

So, it is pretty obvious that the taxpayer is really not paying for the wages of the EMS providers on Beaver Island. These providers are actually earning these wages. So where does this tax money go? The answer can be found in the budget. These taxes have to pay to have equipment on the ambulance that is required by the State of Michigan. These taxes have to pay to have office space to do the administrative tasks, and the administrator has to be paid also. The taxes have to pay for the loan payments for the East Side Fire Station. These taxes have to pay for the educational programs provided to the EMS providers. These taxes have to pay for the fuel used in the vehicles that are currently owned by the townships. These taxes have to pay for the maintenance of vehicles and the maintenance of equipment. These taxes pay for everything necessary to keep an emergency medical service in business, but they do not pay wages.

Try talking to someone that actually knows what they are talking about. Try asking the only few people left that have been doing EMS for more than ten years right here on Beaver Island. Or listen to the offered advice from someone from East Jordan who came to two of the ESA meetings and offered to help.

If it was such an overpaid position, then why did an advertisement in the Petoskey News Review and in the Charlevoix Courier get exactly zero responses? (I paid for this advertisement.) Why did a visit to all the agencies in Charlevoix County find not one interested party? (I made these visits.) Why did a request at an EMS instructor conference to four hundred people not get a single response? (I made this request.)

If it is such and overpaid position, why did Allied EMS back out of an offer to provide emergency medical services for the island? Because Allied knew they couldnâ??t get anyone to come to Beaver Island for such low pay, and Beaver Island couldnâ??t afford the wages of bringing a paramedic to and from the island and housing and travel.

Now tell me why the $150 per day, an increase based upon the cost of living increases over the last fifteen years, is not justified. Tell me how $150 per day is overpaid when a Boyne City paramedic working a 24 hour shift makes $400. In two and half days, heâ??d get a full time paycheck if working in Boyne City. Tell me how $150 per day is too much money to pay a resident paramedic when most of the on-call and pay per call wages are paid by the collections for the emergencies that occur.

The only explanation that I can find is lack of knowledge and lack of desire to gain that knowledge.

Take a look at the budget, and instead of tearing down your EMS providers by stating they are overpaid, maybe take some of that tax money and use it to thank these people who give so much of their lives to the service of this Beaver Island community.
Trish Scott
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Post by Trish Scott »

Overpaid? In what alternate universe? Still underpaid.
E. Naranjo
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Post by E. Naranjo »

Joe, many of us do understand what you are up against. It appears that you have a genuine passion for the continued well being of Beaver Islanders. If you did not have your heart and soul invested the answer would be simple you would just leave like everyone else.


I want to believe that things will change for the better. The sooner the better! I have in the past said some things that have made people uncomfortable! I have also been labeled as a pessimist after I attempted to point out the consequences that come from denying that changes need to be made. I almost have to believe that there is a certain element of pride that could possibly be compromised if change is allowed to happen. So now we will all just sit here and wait.



Joe, it seems like you are saying that in an emergency mere seconds can make the difference on the patient and their families quality of life. That would explain why you cannot sit there and wait. If I am understanding you correctly you are saying that emergencies happen randomly and without preference or prejudice. I find it incredible that you continue to function without preference or prejudice. I guess that is what being a professional is supposed to be about. If nothing else Joe, you should atleast realize that you have done everything within your power to preserve life here on Beaver Island. Your efforts are appreciated by our family!


I would like to say one thing concerning health care here on Beaver Island. My son was given the run around back in Michigan when he attempted to see a doctor. It seems that many doctors are reluctant to take new patients that have insurance under the Affordable Health Care Act. That was not the case here at the BIRHC. He was promptly seen by a doctor and scheduled for a follow up with a specialist in Charlevoix. This whole scenario was a breath of fresh air! I say this because quite often when I see someone doing something good I take the time to recognize them. Thank you BIRHC!
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EMS Overpaid?

Post by debrob2 »

Joe,

My hat is off to you, and all of the EMS people who have dedicated so much to our island...at next to no compensation. As a mother, a daughter and a daughter-in-law who has needed your help on multiple occasions...I THANK YOU. But thanks is not enough people. It's time to put our money where our mouth is and back our EMS program. I am a huge supporter of the BIRHC, but it is not a substitute for EMS.

I am unable to attend the Emergency Services meetings due to the time they are scheduled. I have made this known to them and voiced my concerns also.

If we are in danger of losing our EMS services or having to downgrade what we have now, this is simply unacceptable and I pray that those with the power to make these decisions are able to come up with a viable solution.
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Post by SKATINGFAMILY »

Sometimes our most valued assets are those that we tend to overlook and take for granted until you are the one in need and pray that someone will be there for you in your time of need. The men and women that give of themselves to help those in need should be brought to the front of the line and given the recognition that they so justly deserve. It appears to me that the recognition should also include our respect and compensation for a job well done. I have had many years in a position of working with emergency medical personnel and I can say that the people that serve do so because they care about their fellow man and want to improve the live's of others. Angel's in waiting, bless them one and all.
farie710
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Well said

Post by farie710 »

As a family member of an EMS provider I wholeheartedly agree with every word.
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Post by jflanagan »

I echo the responses already posted.

My thanks to Joe and every one else who protects our lives and well being.

Jim
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Post by pam moxham »

yes the BIRHC can and does help the community....but I agree with deb rob...it is not a substitute for EMS
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Post by Trish Scott »

We cannot let the Advanced Life Support designation lapse. We know that we are on a remote island that can be cut off from transportation due to weather. We need to have emergency medical treatment that includes life supporting medications. Let's not let a preventable tragedy occur should our EMT providers lose the ability to treat with all available tools. It should not be an option to consider. We need paramedics!!! They are our emergency "doctors".
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Thanks for your comments

Post by medic5740 »

I would like to thank those of you who have made comments. I assume that the issue is still a concern to some people.

Just a couple of other facts that I believe need to be considered in this conversation. The other day, one patient was being transported from the BIRHC to the airport when the pager went off again for a second patient with an emergent condition. The BIEMS had planned for this by having a second ambulance available, but a backup crew had not been determined. Our EMS providers managed to pull together a second crew for this second run that required advanced life support skills, and both patients were successfully transported to the definitive care that was needed.

With every bump of the road causing serious pain, Island Airways went out of their way to help by flying over to the township airport at the request of the paramedic on the call to lessen the pain of the ground transport, and the patient was taken directly to Charlevoix Airport and on to the hospital. This was a truly life-threatening emergency, and the entire team worked to make certain that this patient got the best care possible.

Congratulations and sincere thanks to those who were on-call and those that were NOT on-call for stepping up to serve the community with a needed service. Three more EMS providers gave up five hours of their day to help someone in need.

Thank you to Island Airways for providing quick, safe, and reliable transport of a severely ill patient!

These two words are too seldom used on Beaver Island:

THANK YOU!

Joe Moore
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Post by pam moxham »

not a secret people...note the original date.
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